Wiki Moderator Told Me I Have To Improve My English!

Joyce SinghaStarred Page By Joyce Singha, 10th Aug 2014 | Follow this author | RSS Feed
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There is confusion about moderation on Wikinut about writing skills as opposed to no writing skills; the latter is likely to see an unquestioned moderation here.

Writing skills and Moderators.

Is it perfection in language that Moderators are looking for? As far as I can see, Moderators are hard at work with hundreds and thousands of articles being submitted each day. It's not humanly possible to go through each piece of writing and send them back for corrections. I suppose Moderators are not Editors; this concept has all but disappeared from online writing; writers are their own editors now. Moderators in fact have the bigger task of identifying objectionable material, something that might offend everybody equally. Like Fields said some where that he had no prejudices; he hated everyone equally! Nonetheless, I notice Moderators suffering a bit from PC disease where they will not correct ludicrous English but will bring the ax down on a seemingly perfectly written article (at least to the writer)! It's like knowing where you're coming from but not knowing where you are going!

Some writings that have missed moderation completely!

Here are some examples that have missed the keen eye of a moderator:
Or Even driving a car wich as not passed throught the inspection. But i prefer to talk about normal people at the road, you know the ones wich have license and everything all right. But still do some insane stuff! Wich insane stuff? An than? That you crash your car, you hurt people, you get hurt and much more! I have a question, do you prefer to arrive to the place alive or fast? ... in the road is difficult to not see cars crashed with roads cutted because of that making a lot of delay for the people who drive decently. You should start thinking more about your life, and maybe with you don't care about your damm life you should worry about the next one's life, will you feel happy with you hurt other person that does not deserve?

Here is another example:
Part of individuals will dream that they get to be Engineer or Doctor, yet this fantasy will emerged to some individuals just. Don't stress, now any skilled destitute can apply to the establishment that is called " Foundation For Excellence". The wish of the establishment is no body ought not stop their training for the absence of cash. The persons who obtain more than 70 percent marks in tenth class are qualified for the award from this Foundation, expert courses individuals ought to apply in the first year of the course. The Foundation give direction in the instruction other than conceding cash. The individuals who are mulling over Medicine and Engineering course get help in all stages.

Critique versus Criticism.

So, here's my question which anybody can answer. Is there a certain style or way a particular Moderator likes? Further more, are there certain things Moderators prefer, for example, poor grammar instead to typos; gobbledygook to uninteresting topics; or impoverished English to well endowed English; encouragement for non-English writers to unmanageable English writers? With no indications as to how I should improve my English, I'm left floundering what the __ a Moderator is trying to tell me; I'm flabbergasted because I do not know what __ improvements a Moderator wants me to introduce; I'm in a conundrum because I do not know. A sweeping statement 'English needs improvement' says nothing to me because no specific examples or alternatives have been provided. QED: I continue to write the way I do and Moderator keeps on fussing over style or substance or whatever. Nobody knows for sure. What I am sure about is, that the ones mentioned here, do not have names of Steve or Mark!

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Criticizing, Critique, Editing And Proofreading, Wikinut Community, Wikinut Moderators

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author avatar Joyce Singha
Writer, Thinker, Homeopath.
Background in Literature, Films and Homeopathy. Interests in Politics & Human Idiosyncrasies. Humor is essential. Personal Blog at: http://joyce-iamwhatiyam.blogspot.com

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author avatar Steve Kinsman
11th Aug 2014 (#)

As a moderator, I must say that I give a very wide berth to writers when it comes to grammar, spelling, sentence structure, etc. It is even wider for those whose first language is not English. Unless the grammar, etc. is so bad that no sense can be made of the article, I never reject any page on these criteria alone.

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author avatar Joyce Singha
11th Aug 2014 (#)

I think most of us realize that and most are happy that you do. Thanks Steve. I do appreciate your work here and madness of moderation.

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author avatar Mark Gordon Brown
11th Aug 2014 (#)

True, moderators are not editoss. We can forgive a few spelling errors but if an article has too many it should be rejected. I typically reject any wtih spelling errors in the title.
For sure moderators are not perfect and we miss some articles, sometimes I will see one and wonder how did I ever let it through, if it is really bad I e-mail Sam to have it deleted.

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author avatar Joyce Singha
11th Aug 2014 (#)

Absolutely Mark. My angst was with 'no explanation' or suggestions for improvement from the Moderator. Nonetheless, both you and Steve do a great job especially where writers have such divergent opinions from Moderators. Seeing such articles published restores faith in freedom of expression. Thank you Mark. You're doing great.

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author avatar cnwriter..carolina
11th Aug 2014 (#)

no one is perfect...our moderators do a damn fine job...

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author avatar LOVERME
11th Aug 2014 (#)

u do ur work... let moderator do his if ur English is weak let him say so
... and you improve upon it ..go to spell check of google they help spellings and also improve English...
if you r not writing too badly or ..
send it across to me I am always free shall love to help all those who seek

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author avatar Joyce Singha
11th Aug 2014 (#)

moderation seemed glum
a big statement done
me left mum
should have come to you
at once.
(Thanks Love for promised help.)

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author avatar Mariah
11th Aug 2014 (#)

Well Joyce from reading this..your English is very good...and you've been on the star pages several times..we all make mistakes in our posts at times but the moderators always cut us a bit of slack on that.. you are doing fine so just keep up the good work.

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author avatar Joyce Singha
11th Aug 2014 (#)

Thanks Mariah and Susan. It was bit of a surprise really. Actually Moderators have been fine except for this time; but then angst turned into an article :)

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author avatar Retired
11th Aug 2014 (#)

All I know, Joyce, is that I've been reading your work for a little over a year ... at three different sites. Maybe I'm too engaged in your content to notice the mechanics. Good writing is good writing, whether or not others agree with what we write.

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author avatar Mariah
11th Aug 2014 (#)

I second that Susan

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author avatar Sivaramakrishnan A
11th Aug 2014 (#)

I can feel your angst Joyce as your language is above par. Once I had an issue when my post was rejected and then I found I had made a spelling mistake in the title! siva

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author avatar Joyce Singha
11th Aug 2014 (#)

Thanks Siva, most in this circle seems to be doing fine and little typo here and there should be allowed; we are our editors.

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author avatar A.M>CrewsAnita Crews
11th Aug 2014 (#)

Joyce, I have had no problem enjoying your writing. You have wonderful insight! I am an English major and haven't found fault with your writing. Being a Moderator doesn't make you right!

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author avatar Joyce Singha
11th Aug 2014 (#)

Anita, between you and me, we gotta put those secret references that only English majors know (wink, wink). Thanks and now I am wondering whether it is 'you and me' or 'you and I' !!!

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author avatar Joyce Singha
11th Aug 2014 (#)

Thanks everyone. The trouble is not being told where the problem lay, so now, the problem stays at it is, bad English I suppose :)

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author avatar Etc.
11th Aug 2014 (#)

I think you said it right when you said a moderator is not an editor. Some of the illustrations you gave, not all, made me think that it's easy to read over certain sorts of errors and misspellings. On the other hand, people do use language inappropriately--often when using words not in common usage, and often by people who use English as a second language. I for one read past those things, thinking how amazing it is that anyone can actually write that well in English when it isn't their first language.

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author avatar Etc.
11th Aug 2014 (#)

I commented a few minutes ago on you article then went away to look at my chicken in the oven, and I found that I continued to think about you and what you said.

I think, actually, that your moderator may have made such a comment because you actually are a very good writer with potential to be even better.

Your article sort of alerts to reader to look for problems with English--which I did. For the most part I didn't see anything. But your last paragraph did have me reading and re-reading. I'm never seen "being in a conundrum" and I kept asking myself, "is that actually wrong?" Just unusual usage. Same with "poor grammar instead to typos." Common usage would be instead of typos.

Are those reasons to call attention to English usage? From my point of view maybe only because of the fact that you are, actually, such a good writer in the first place. You didn't get to be such a good writer without wanting to be one; and good writers always want to be better writers.

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author avatar Etc.
11th Aug 2014 (#)

You see! I made a grammatical mistake (at least one that I see) in my comment. It happens. Make that ALERTS THE READER, Thank you.

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author avatar Joyce Singha
11th Aug 2014 (#)

Thank you Etc for your analysis which was great. You were too generous with moderator trying to compliment me! His words probably just fell out of his fingers mainly because earlier I had questioned how could such articles escape moderation (2 examples in 2nd paragraph found on my rounds of Wiki). BTW I love these full sounding words like conundrum, nebulous and some more. Sometimes I find myself building around the words :) Appreciate your musings here despite the chicken in the oven.
Thank you Etc. Love the name.

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author avatar Retired
11th Aug 2014 (#)

I am attracted to your writing, Joyce, by what you have to say. It's the content of your articles that reflect the values of a principled, intelligent, and insightful person, and I don't much care how you express things in writing. Sure, it's nice to have proper grammar and precision writing when we're reading, but those things pale compared to content. When they tell you to improve your perspectives, Joyce, is when it's time to dig in and resist.

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author avatar Joyce Singha
11th Aug 2014 (#)

Yes Le Rain, I'm completely with you in this digging in and resisting business. You had said this to someone who tried to have you change your view point; you wouldn't budge; liked your stand. Good girl. Thank you so much LeRain. I like the ladies here: strong, conservative, accepting, appreciative of good things (lie men which Susan wrote about) as well as the ugly, etc etc.

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author avatar Joyce Singha
11th Aug 2014 (#)

Typo alert: like men not lie men :)

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author avatar A.M>CrewsAnita Crews
11th Aug 2014 (#)

Verbage is my thing. You don't have a problem with the English language! Someone has a problem with understanding, I think!

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author avatar Nancy Czerwinski
11th Aug 2014 (#)

Joyce, great article. I've learned a lot reading this and also reading the comments. I signed up with Wikinut in 2011 but did all of my work on Yahoo. I did learn a lot during my years of writing. I'm thankful for the moderators and hope that I learn from them. I like your writing and look forward to your articles.

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author avatar Retired
12th Aug 2014 (#)

Congrats on the star for this page. Your English is good. Please note one typo in this post: Further more

Furthermore is one word.

I'm a professional editor, so I notice these things...but I think most readers, including myself, will not mind a typo or two. They are easy to miss, especially when editing one's own work. I agree with mark that a work filled with them should be revised before being published.

I think the moderators here do a good job. However, those examples you quoted are potent examples of how they sometimes fail in that job!

Thanks for voicing this.

:)

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author avatar Joyce Singha
12th Aug 2014 (#)

Thanks Rama for moving further and more together. It's amazing how many typos emerge from hiding once the article has been submitted; I never fail to experience this. BTW just yesterday I was thinking, I must go say hi to Rama :) Hope you are well.

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author avatar Bolamania
12th Aug 2014 (#)

so it is good when we have a someone act as moderator :)..the concept of website is very good for the non native english speaker

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author avatar Joyce Singha
12th Aug 2014 (#)

Great to see you here and it is indeed brave of non-English speakers to venture into this field. English is a very tough language mainly because of its mixed up rules and no explanation for other things. Keep writing Bolamania. Thanks.

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author avatar M G Singh
27th Aug 2014 (#)

I think your English is pretty good. No sweat on that

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